Mental Health, Therapy and Wellness w/ Chris Foreman | Ep 3

On this episode of "That's How You Feel?!" ... Levi and Caleb sit down with owner and founder of Wellness District LA, an agency that strives to provide guided access to the best health and wellness options and focuses on the whole person. Join your hosts and special guest Chris Foreman (who also happens to be Caleb's older brother) as they discuss mental health, various wellness therapies, brain mapping and more.

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Caleb: Hey folks, welcome back to another episode of that's how you feel. Today I am still [00:01:00] your host Caleb. I haven't been fired yet, and I'm joined by 

Levi: my other host. Well, I'm Levi He's on the border being fired, and 

Caleb: we have a very special guest in the building We have none other than my brother shout out to nepotism 

Chris: Chris Foreman.

Hey, all right. Yeah. Yeah. We're happy to 

Caleb: have them here because we got some exciting topics that we'd like to talk about today. Uh, we're going to get into, I didn't think we were going to actually get into this topic so early. I'm 

Levi: glad we did. I like, this is one of the topics that I've been looking forward to.

Yeah, but we're 

Caleb: only three episodes in and already we're hitting this. I wasn't ready for it. We're just on that level. So 

Levi: before we even get to it. Actually, you have connections. 

Chris: Chris, welcome to the podcast. Happy to have you here. Thank you. Um, 

Caleb: this is not even about him. We're about I'm about to ignore you just for a whole second.

So the first episode hasn't even come out yet. We shot it a couple days ago. And I kid you not the next day, I was walking around [00:02:00] like at the grocery store and I was thinking to myself, so this is fame now like this is, is this what you're 

Levi: ready to sign autographs already? 

Caleb: I was walking around like this is fame bro.

Like I'm famous and these people don't even know 

Levi: it. Chris, has he always like strived for, um, to be famous? 

Chris: Yeah, I would say in the weirdest way possible. That makes sense. That checks. So, this is now, he's settling into something that might actually work. We'll see. Um, 

Caleb: I didn't tell you another thing. So, my dad, I was talking to my dad and he asked me what the title of the podcast was.

And I told him, I was like, hey dad, the title of the podcast is um, I don't like my dad. And he laughed so hard about it. He was like, that's funny. I was like, dad, I'm messing with you. It's not, that's not the name of the podcast. I would not do that. He was ready to go 

Levi: with that 

Caleb: title. Oh yeah, he was, he was ready.

He was like, I get it. I understand. I was like, dad, I'm just, I'm just messing with you. Okay. Another question people [00:03:00] might have for us is our intro video. There's two babies in the, in that video. Who are 

Levi: those babies? Well, I mean, one is my, my son and the other 

Caleb: one is my son. Just people that might be curious about those babies.

If you don't know, like why are there babies in the video? Whatever. Um, so Chris, Chris is here today. We're excited because we're going to be covering. Mental health and wellness therapy. We're going to talk about a lot of things. We're going to get into that last thing on my tangent because I had a whole bunch of things that I was thinking about.

So remember when we talked about I introduced you on episode one. And I say that one of your fun facts was that you like wrestling. Yeah, we're not, we're not done with that. Remember when I told you the story about how I was watching, watching, watching wrestling and my brother came in and ruined it for me and said, that's fake.

Was that brother, you, that brother right there? I was watching the rock wrestle. And I was cheering at the TV, this dude walks in and goes, you know, that's fake, right? 

Chris: I was like, I know, I know, [00:04:00] I do, I do not remember this. He doesn't recall. It doesn't hold up. It's probably something I would. And I haven't, I haven't 

Caleb: watched wrestling since that.

That's 

Levi: a lie because we had you over for the Royal Rumble and. You watched it with a couple of our friends and actually enjoyed yourself. 

Caleb: Well, yeah, I was with my friends. Of course, I'm enjoying myself. I don't care what we were doing, bro. 

Levi: You were glued to the 

Caleb: TV. All right, we're gonna move 

Chris: on. So I still don't get it.

Levi: We'll get you there. We'll get you there. Yeah, we'll invite you to the WrestleMania party. 

Chris: I won't go. 

Levi: Caleb, 

Caleb: we'll tell him. He's coming. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna get him to it. All right. So back to Chris, though. So again, the topic of today's episode is wellness. Mental health, therapy, all those things. 

Levi: First off, I have something.

Okay. Two things. One, you forgot what you forgot last time. What did I forget? Don't forget to like and subscribe. And follow us on all the other socials. So we have Facebook, Instagram. Um, at this [00:05:00] time we probably have TikTok. Myspace? TikTok. Um, maybe Xanga. Alright, cool. Um. Farmville? Far, what's Farville?

Farmville. Do you know what Farmville is? I thought you said Farville. Come visit our farm. We have an animal farm. Um, also, Caleb, in the last episode, let me know about y'all's boy band. Oh, buddy. Um, in L. A. that he moved out there and he, I did not know this. So what was it like being in a boy band? Did you feel like you guys were 

Caleb: We're 

Chris: gonna get to the serious topic.

Well, this is pretty serious. Thank you. Because I would say this informs It's pretty much everything that we're all doing right now from the boy band trauma. I mean, I think it was, it was two things. One, being in a band with your brothers can be incredibly rewarding because you're all trying to achieve something together.

And when you. Meet those milestones when you record your first album, when you get those accolades from [00:06:00] people in the industry who, you know, think you can make it, then it's like, oh, wow, this is really great. But then at the same time, it's the worst thing ever because You are business partners with your family, and that's all we knew.

I mean, I think a lot of the relationship that we have today is starting because we have now realized we're no longer business partners. We can actually be family. Um, but that's all we knew growing up. It was, it was fun at times, but it was also incredibly painful at times. I 

Levi: mean, I met, yeah, I mean, siblings fight as it is.

So I imagine having to be forced. Well, I don't know. Were you forced? Do you feel like you're forced? Absolutely. Okay. I mean, that's kind of how he felt. So we 

Chris: were forced. Um, and I would say like, look, I'm, I'm not in any way upset about being forced to do that because I think it gave us clear direction for life.

I think it gave us so many wonderful tools and skills that we use today. But, um, Yeah, there was, there was the obsessiveness about it that tends to kind of be like, ah, [00:07:00] man, would I have done this if I had full autonomy over it? And probably not, but So again, I'm glad I stuck with it, which how, 

Levi: so how long, like what age did you, were you guys, when you guys stopped this?

I 

Caleb: was in high school. I was a, I would think I was a, I was a sophomore in high school when it stopped. So that was like 

Chris: 15 or 15 or 16. I was a junior. So 

Levi: 16. And then what's the age difference? Cause you have four brothers, four brothers. There's three other brothers other than me. Yeah. So Chris is the second oldest.

And then David. He's the 

Chris: oldest 

Caleb: by like two or three years. I don't know. Two or three 

Levi: years. How old, how much older 

Chris: than you? I don't know. He's two and a half years older than me. Okay. 

Levi: I'm going to go to the person that's reliable. There you go. And then Josh is how many years younger? He's a year younger than me.

Okay. So Chris, um, I do need to get a copy of those videos. Um, and you said you mentioned an album. There's an album. Yeah. We recorded 

Chris: an album. I need a copy of the album. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not. So here's the thing. Some, some things don't need to be on the [00:08:00] internet. Everything ain't podcast material. I'm looking for some background music.

Pride in myself on keeping that off the internet because the first thing people do is like, YouTube, Google, you know, what was the name of the band? And I'm like, thank God we, we had a website, remember? Mm-Hmm? . Ooh. 

Caleb: www.mp3.com/ I'm not saying the ta name of the, the group. Oh, wow. He 

Levi: remember I still don't know the name of the group.

Caleb: No, I'm not, we're not gonna say it. It's not important. It's not important to 

Chris: the story. 

Levi: Wow. Cause if you say it, we'll like, can we find you on the internet? Nope. 

Chris: Can't find it. Doesn't matter. 

Levi: All right. Well, after this is off the record, I wouldn't know the name of the band. 

Chris: Yeah. No, you gotta be family.

Family. Family. Ayy. I like that. It's gotta run, run deep. I'm going to 

Levi: work on that. I'm going to work. I don't know how. Can we get some white Christmas here on the episode with us? We'll get there. Yeah. So Chris, um, what was it like growing up with Caleb? 

Chris: Oh, wow. It was frustrating for the most part. [00:09:00] And the reason I say that is because there were things that Caleb specifically did that I got blamed for.

I beg your pardon. You know that the the corporate punishment, right? If if one person did something and maybe lied about it, then everybody's getting the punishment and the punishment was pretty rough and harsh. So I had a lot of resentment towards all my brothers because I felt like, man, what, why am I getting whooped for something I didn't do?

Yeah. So that's where the frustration would. would come from. I 

Caleb: didn't do nothing. 

Levi: I, I don't believe that because I, so I was the baby out of my brothers and I do know, I'm sorry, but I do know that I use that at points. And so I, I am sorry that he did that to you. I'm 

Caleb: telling you, I didn't, I didn't do it. I, I maintain my innocence to this day.

I didn't do nothing. We'll 

Chris: take a polygraph. Right? And so. There you have it, you know, [00:10:00] somebody, you know, trying to get to the truth of the matter. What happened? Who did it? Who broke it? You know, who's lying? And you have multiple people saying, I didn't do it, so everybody's getting it, right? Yeah, that's true.

I really didn't do it, though. 

Levi: I mean, I feel like That's how I feel. 

Chris: So that's how you feel? That's how I didn't do it. Well, I know I didn't do it. 

Levi: He's like, I still got 

Caleb: punished. No, we did. Like, cause our mom would be like, look, if one of y'all don't confess, all y'all getting it. And we're just like, so we, you know, we maintained our silence, but it was, it was a silly 

Levi: thing.

Man, was it, I wonder if it was consistently the same person though? Yes! 

Chris: You? Joshua! No! My brother! My other 

Levi: brother! So he didn't stab back. He's like, it wasn't me. 

Caleb: He admitted that he did a lot of the mischievous behavior and just stayed silent. Cause he would, he would rather go down with a group than go down 

Chris: alone.

Levi: Did you, have you guys ever, like, now that you guys are adults as brothers, like, let's say at a family dinner or anything, ever gotten like with your parents and like really told [00:11:00] like some of the things like you did as kids that like your parents never knew? 

Chris: Nope. No, no, 

Caleb: there's a couple of things that I know I've done.

I'm like, I'm never telling my dad that. Oh, well, I mean, my mom knows a lot of stuff that I've done because, but like there's, to me, there's no point in like going back. But there's some stuff that I would, I would laugh just to, I would, I'd want to tell my dad just to see what he says. I gotcha. But I'm not going to, I'm waiting for the opportune moment.

No, 

Levi: we, the only reason I asked is because I mean, I don't know how many years ago, um, It was, but my brother Jeff was over, my brother Tyler was in town and we had some family dinner on Sunday and we were sitting around the fire pit outside and we were just going through stories from when we were growing up and stuff just kept coming up that my mom was like, wait, how did, how did, what?

I didn't know anything about this. And we're like, yeah, you know, that's how you keep it. So it was just, it was a cool moment. Well, for me, sorry. I know I was 

Chris: innocent. I didn't do anything. No, anything that happened, somebody was snitching and we all got whooped. So they knew everything. From my [00:12:00] perspective, 

Levi: anyway, gotcha.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got the blame. That's rough too. The real reason why we're here. We get on tangents. Let's 

Caleb: get to Chris. 

Chris: Go on. 

Levi: Anyways. So Chris, tell us a little bit about yourself. You know who you are. Um, you're a little bit about your journey. Um, and then you do have this company. What's the company called?

Wellness. Wellness district, LA. In LA, um, tell us a little bit about your journey and kind of what got you to opening up this company, Wellness District LA and your goals for it. 

Chris: Yeah, so I live in Los Angeles and I've been living there for now, wow, 20 years. And after, after we quit the band, I went to college.

And during my time in college, I got connected to, um, some ministries on campus and I started leading a campus ministry and kind of found that I had a calling towards ministry. And so I wanted to either be a pastor or be in ministry in some type of Um, and then I went to the army and joined the military to be an [00:13:00] army chaplain.

I didn't want to do what everybody else was doing. I didn't want to be, you know, in a pulpit saying, Hey, everybody can follow Jesus and not having some like real life experience to speak from. Um, one of the reasons that I got into the wellness space was because having been an army chaplain now for over 12 years and having also worked in church ministry in that context, I felt that I was not providing people with the full answer or at least a holistic approach.

to why the world is the way that it is, um, what methods can we use to heal other than prayer. And some of the things that I was also discovering in this time in my journey was like, wow, we've really been, our, our eyes have been kind of blinded to some of this stuff that is available to us. Um, and whether that's intentional or not, I don't know.

Right. But I went on a personal journey to find out like, okay, what is the reason behind, what is the root cause of why somebody might be dealing with, maybe it's chronic pain or disease [00:14:00] or, you know, trauma of any kind? Like, what is the real reason? Other than just like sin, right? Well, the world is sinful and, you know, X, Y and Z.

Levi: Yeah, nice. So, um, for what personal experiences in your life led you to go start that journey? 

Chris: So I was dealing with chronic neck pain for a long time. I mean, months and months and months. And by the time I finally got, like, good insurance, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go see a good doctor. You know, then they're gonna, like, really, like, fix me up.

And I know that's some of the decision. Discussions Caleb has had. He's like, Dad, why didn't you ever take this to the doctor or so you can see 

Caleb: makes me so mad, man. Oh, my gosh, it makes me 

Chris: so it's one of his pain points, right? It's like we want to be able to one day be able to afford health insurance or just be able to walk into the doctor's office and like, Yeah, I'm here.

Find out what's wrong with me. Fix me up. And so when that day comes, and then you're met with Oh, well, here's some [00:15:00] pills. Oh, you might deal with this for the rest of your life. It became really, really, I would say devastating to me, especially in that moment, because I felt. There was no hope. And I felt like, wow, this is the best that we have to offer.

Yeah. So there, there must be a better way. Um, I really truly felt that I was part of a system. I was just a number and, uh, that they weren't going to do anything extra to help me other than give me the medication. Um, and also being in the military, knowing the path that that leads. You know, with some buddies of mine who have an addiction or who have died by suicide using, um, powerful medications, I was like, this, this can't be it.

And I'm not, I'm not sure I want to go down this road. So I started looking into alternative healing. 

Levi: Yeah. Which I think is awesome, which I also just want to say thank you for your service. Oh, thank you. Um, 

Caleb: Julia. 

Chris: It's okay. Shout out to Chris. No, 

Caleb: I'm still, I'm still reeling on. Uh, my dad [00:16:00] never taking me to the doctor's office.

You want to thank your brother 

Levi: for being in service? I did. You, you piggybacked off. 

Caleb: You good. Anyway. No, this is a funny story. So I, 

Levi: I really, truly, I would just want to say I respect that. And I know it's a big step in a big journey. My, I have a brother that's in the military. And so obviously I've not been through the process, but I've heard a little bit.

And so, um, Just, yeah, thank you. I know words can never be enough, but thank you. And I just want to echo 

Caleb: what he said. Yeah. Perfect. 

Chris: And 

Caleb: you wonder why. I asked our dad, I was like, hey, how come, I was like, dad, why don't I ever remember going to a doctor's office from zero to 18? You know what he told him? He said, you was 

Chris: alright.

I was like, okay. You were, weren't you? It doesn't matter. He took us to the doctor. I don't, I 

Caleb: remember, I think one checkup when I was like very young. 

Levi: And you 

Chris: survived. 

Caleb: Yeah. I did alright. No, but lo and behold, I think my son got sick, and my dad was like, you take [00:17:00] him to the doctor's office? I was like, 

Levi: he'll be alright.

Isn't it funny how the grandparent role switches? He was so mad. He was like, 

Caleb: you gotta take him to the doctor's son. Take him. I was like, nah, he's 

Levi: good. What I like though that you said is, um, because I've went. So not personally, I haven't gone to the doctor seeking like, you know, Hey, this is really wrong.

I mean, of course I've gone to the doctor for, but like, this is really wrong with me and you know, like, what, what can we do? Um, you said you, you know, you felt like there was a sense of loss of hope of like that you've seen from others and, um, a little bit probably from your personal experience. Um, and I think that does get lost in the healthcare system.

Um, not to rag on them because I know that there, I work in the healthcare system. Um, but I know that it. I have been through the journey where you get to that road, and it's like, well, this may work. This may not work, but we don't really have an answer for you. Um, and that doesn't give you that definite, like, Oh, I'm going to get some relief.

I'm finally going to, you know, it's going to be okay. Um, so I'm [00:18:00] excited to talk a little bit more about your journey. Um. And your clinic that you started and kind of the different type of therapies that you've been involved with. Um, yeah. Yeah. 

Chris: So wellness district is a coaching platform and an agency.

And what we do is we help people who are looking to heal using alternative methods. Right. So people come to us who have. Anxiety, depression, trauma, um, poor sleep, maybe insomnia, or they might have an autoimmune disease and they have found zero answers in the western medical system. 

Levi: Did you bring him to consult me?

Nope. 

Chris: This is an intervention. Apparently. You need some help. Um, and people want to get off their medication. They're like, I've been trying everything and I feel, I don't feel like myself on this medication. So what we do is we help find them the best alternative ways to heal. Whether they be a life coach, a therapist, a nutritionist, a fitness coach.

Um, we help them get connected to things like brain mapping [00:19:00] and neurofeedback therapy. And we add everything into their wellness journey. Everything that they need and remove anything that they don't and that's really important because if you go to any healer they might tell you oh you need to spend like six months with me working on this issue but what we do is we take a look at the person holistically and say actually this other issue over here is probably a bigger deal than dealing with this.

For an example there's a client who was dealing with epileptic form activity in the brain. We didn't know that until we mapped his brain but he had been going to therapy doing this deep traumatic work with this therapist and They never thought to, like, look at the brain. And so we found that he was having many seizures in his brain.

And those many seizures were causing him to disassociate. And so that to me was just like, it's such a game changer, right? It's like some things you need to bring regulation to. We need to actually bring regulation back to the brain before we start trying to uncover and unpack some of the deep [00:20:00] trauma things.

So. 

Caleb: So with the, with the clients that you, that you get to come through your door, um, for someone that is probably potentially hearing about this for the first time, um, where would you say, you know, cause you're based out of LA, but someone here in Kansas city, if they think, Hey, I just, I don't feel. Right?

Maybe they don't know if they should go to therapy first, maybe they don't know if they should get to brain mapping first. How does someone, like, very new to the overall just wellness, holistically, how does someone, where does someone start? Like, where does, like, where does someone even, like, begin to even have a good thought and, like, You know, where's go at, where, where, where, where do I start in the game of like wellness on the journey?

Like where's, where's the starting line? Yeah. 

Levi: Cause I feel like a lot of people, you know, therapy when you. A lot of people say, Oh man, I should really start therapy. And the first thing that [00:21:00] comes to mind is talk therapy, which I think is beneficial too. And maybe you can speak more to that, but I'm really interested in the different types of therapies that you've mentioned that you, you know, you can consult people.

But yeah, that is, that's a very good question. Where does 

Caleb: even somebody begin 

Chris: if they just don't feel the easiest entry points or place you would begin is. something called integrative therapy, because integrative therapy is going to look at some of the other systems in your body, whether it be your nervous system, whether it be your emotional system or your, you know, biological or chemical systems, they're going to look at some of these different systems in the body and find out what is the root cause of why you might be feeling anxiety.

We now know that anxiety can be caused by different foods that you eat based on the gut brain connections. Right? So a lot of the, a lot of the sugary foods or a lot of the things that aren't really nutritious in value that we feed the kids can also be causing them to have anxiety. And so we think like, [00:22:00] Oh, well maybe they need some medication or no, we actually might need to adjust your diet.

And just even thinking in those terms will radically shift like, okay, how do I approach wholeness? How do I approach healing? And I need to be looking at different ways to, um, combat this versus just the symptom I would call the symptom versus the root. So I would say look up some integrative healers in your area.

That's a great place to start. And then maybe think about doing some things like yoga, breath work, getting some blood work done from a functional medicine or functional nutritionist. They're going to interpret your blood and blood work and labs very differently. Then a, a normal doctor who's just going to look at some of these biomarkers and say, Oh, you're just low in vitamin D.

Oh, you have high blood pressure. Oh, you have high cholesterol. They're looking for these main things, but integrative and functional medicine, they're going to be looking at multiple things, even down to your hormone levels. Interesting. 

Levi: Sorry, that took me back to talk [00:23:00] to, talk to visit. I'm like, yeah, that is what they told me.

And typically, you know, the, the answer to that is to throw on not, Not to just throw on medicine on people, but you typically, you know, are given, you know, Hey, take this vitamin or here's a medicine for you to help your anxiety, you know, your depression. Um, and as someone who has experience. I, like I experienced anxiety and depression, um, and, uh, I, you know, I've been on medication and my goal is to eventually get off that.

And so, um, I am very, this is really, I'm really this, thank you for bringing him. This is really cool. Like I'm, like I said, this is my, this is, this might be Levi's therapy session. It can be, 

Caleb: you know, that's fine. Um, so you said integrative therapies. Okay. So that, that's where, where someone could, could Google and just maybe find out 

Chris: what they, where you will likely find some practitioners in your area.

Levi: Are there branches underneath the integrative therapist or like, is that [00:24:00] just entitled? 

Chris: Like, no, it's a lot. It's a lot. There's multiple types of integrated therapy just so I can anchor it in an experience that I had. So I went to an integrative therapist after I went and saw that doctor who told me I was going to have neck pain for the rest of my life.

So somebody at my church actually was like, hey, you should go check out this person. And I went and checked out this person. I was like, what is integrative therapy? What is acutonics? What is vibrational harmony? I was asking all these questions and googling and then so much stuff came up. So I was like, you know what, let me just.

call him, book an appointment. And so I did. And during the session, you know, we're talking like you and I are, and he's just asking me some different questions. What, what might you think, or what do you think might've caused the chronic neck pain? Where do you think it's rooted? Okay. And then he starts to do what's called EFT, which is an emotional freedom technique or emotional freedom therapy.

And we're doing this tapping on different parts of the body. And he's asking me to repeat after him and I'm like, why is he doing, like, why am I saying these [00:25:00] things and tapping here and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And he's like, how do you feel? I was like, I feel good. 

Levi: Like, yeah, 

Chris: I'm good, right? I'm good. He's like, okay, let's do another round.

So we do another round. We're doing another round and another round. And I started to feel like, calm and relaxed. I'm like, okay. And then he lays me down on the table. He says, I'm going to work on your meridian points. And he starts. Banging these like tuning forks together and puts them on different points of my body.

I was like, Oh, it's kind of nice. It's just vibrating. Okay. All right. Okay. Then he starts to put these bowls, you know, I now know them as Tibetan singing bowls, but these bowls, he puts one on my chest and, and one at my feet and it starts. Making this noise with the bowls. I'm like, okay, and the entire time I am in my head thinking, what is he doing?

I'm trying to understand so I can tell somebody about this. Sounds like witchcraft to me. It definitely sounded like 

Levi: witchcraft. Imagine going through it and you're probably like, what is happening? He's talking 

Chris: about [00:26:00] chakras and all this stuff. Stuff I had literally never heard of before. And, um, so my wife, she picks me up from the therapy session and she's like, so what did you uncover?

And I'm like, uh, so he did this and this. And I'm like, really trying to intellectualize, intellectualize. And that, that's just who I am. Um, and tell her exactly what happened. And then the order it happened and what method he was using. And she was kind of like, Hmm. It wasn't what she expected. Well, she was like, okay, well then I need you to maybe listen to this song that I want to post on, on YouTube.

Tell me what you think. So she's, she's a musician. She's playing the song and I'm watching the video and I'm just like. And I, and I start to kind of like, well up a little bit and then I start to tear up and then I'm like, I don't know if this is just the song I like the song and maybe, and then, and then I start.

Levi: Which probably made her feel really good at the moment. 

Chris: I'm just saying. Yeah. I'm sure she felt great. You know, it was my favorite, one of my favorite songs. Um, [00:27:00] but then I start to cry and I'm like. And then I start to, like, wail and weep and weep and we're sitting in the Target parking lot. And we're supposed to go in and go shopping, and I was like, uh, babe, can you just take me home?

I don't know what's happening to me. And I just broke down and cried for three hours. Wow. Three hours. Yo. And the whole time I'm up in my head going. What did he do or what's happening, but my body is releasing all of this tension and an energy and emotion And I'm I was floored and like literally just cried myself to sleep 

Levi: So I just kind of read before that where I mean, were you much of a crier?

Chris: No up to that point, you know, it's funny. I hadn't cried for probably ten years Oh wow. Before that. So there was certainly a lot of pent up emotion, pent up things that my body needed to release. Um, but going back to the, you know, why we, why we store up so much energy and why my body needed to release it was Because of the trauma that I [00:28:00] experienced and I can point to probably more than one example But I know for a fact at age 11 when our parents divorced I was 11.

I don't know how how old you were It was 10. 10, okay. We just saw that, oh my god. I just remember the number 11 and everybody else didn't matter Everybody else is on their own journey because I in that moment I felt alone I was like for the first time my family is torn apart and I guess I have to figure things out for myself.

And then, growing up, I was a really, really sensitive kid. And he would tell you, I cried a lot as a kid. My mom told me, she was like, we had to come pick you up from the, with the babysitter because you would just, you wouldn't stop crying. And so I remember at that, that time at age 11, when my parents told us, like, hey, we're getting a divorce.

I was like, alright, I'm, I'm not gonna cry. And I didn't cry for 10 years. 10 years, and then I didn't cry. That time that I cried, all somebody asked me was like, Hey, how's your relationship with your [00:29:00] mom? Instantly, like, just broke down crying for no reason. I was like, Oh! So I had this pattern of really stuffing emotions into some place.

Like compartmentalizing it. Compartmentalizing it, not understanding that that was actually causing other issues in my body. That's so 

Levi: interesting. I mean, and I've, you know, I've heard, um, from different, whether it be tick tock or websites, I've heard, you know, how the brain and those, you know, pent up motions and compartmentalizing how that can lead into your body.

But, you know, you don't hear about it as much and you don't get to really, you know, like integrative therapists that you said, right? Yeah. So, I mean, I've never heard of an integrative therapist before therapists before. So, I mean, yeah, this is really. It's really interesting, kind of eye opening. So I mean, 

Caleb: take it with a grain of salt.

He didn't say his neck pain is 

Chris: gone. So let's just. See? 

Levi: Yeah, because you're the one causing 

Chris: it. It started flaring up. As soon as As soon as I got off the plane. [00:30:00] Like, oh no, 

Levi: Caleb's coming. 

Chris: But that's where that saying comes from. Like, you're a pain in my neck. That can be a literal thing for someone who has experienced trauma at the hands of a family member.

Like, yeah, you could be a pain in someone's neck. It's 

Levi: a trigger. So the first person you saw, what was his type of therapy that the sound healing is that we said 

Chris: sound healing or acutonics. Okay. Um, but he also would just call himself an integrative. 

Levi: Okay. Um, what other type of therapies or, uh, yeah. What other type of therapies have you witnessed been a perennial 

Chris: sacral therapy?

You ever heard of that one? What was it? Cranial sacral therapy. No. Um, basically it's a specific type of gentle, gentle massage that allows your, um, cerebral spinal fluid to be released from the back of your neck at the top of your spine. And they're moving that cerebral spinal fluid throughout the rest of your body because that can get.

Interesting. Um, myofascial release, same thing. There's like a [00:31:00] network of, of tissue in your skin. That's really, it's a really, really gentle massage technique. Then there's spinal energetics and then there's hypnotherapy. And then, I mean 

Levi: the list goes on. So I mean like the only holistic therapy I've ever been introduced to or like, you know, had like had, had done, cause I had a friend that was, um, She was learning, learning at the time was Reiki, um, and which, you know, when again, she started talking about chakras and I'm like, what, what's a chakra like Shaka Khan?

Like, I mean, I did, I didn't, I didn't know what was happening. Um, but it was a really cool, I mean, to be honest, it was a really cool experience. And, um, how did you feel afterward? Um, I, it's hard to remember cause it was years ago, but I do remember like feeling, um, calm one. Definitely. I definitely felt like there was a release of something and, and kind of peaceful, which, which was, um, interesting to me cause I was Reiki and you may be able to explain it better than me.

Chris: Yeah. Reiki is like a form of energetic healing. [00:32:00] And I would say that it feels like a warm, energetic hug that somebody, somebody is holding space for you and just pure love. And I think that's the best way that 

Levi: I could. Yeah. Cause they don't actually touch you. It's like a, it's like they hold their hands over or something.

Um, which I know you're probably Sounds like witchcraft to me, 

Chris: buddy. Do you know, do you know, uh, our dad had a Reiki session?

So I have often asked my family to participate. So, yeah, my dad actually, I had him do a Reiki session. Goodness gracious. He loved it. No, he didn't. I think it lowered his blood pressure for sure. You think so? At the time. I mean, I believe it. Hey, I'm, uh, look, 

Caleb: uh, everything he's explaining to me is all new to me and it's, it's, it's wild to hear these stories from my brother, like to know that he hasn't cried in 10 years.

Like, I'm like, goodness gracious, but also. I'm kind of the same way. Like I don't remember the last time I [00:33:00] cried. Yeah. I 

Levi: couldn't tell you. Well, no. And I, like you said, you grew up a sensitive kid. I was a very sensitive kid growing up as well. And for years, you know, I'd cry at a movie. I'm not, I'm not gonna lie about it.

I'd cry, you know. Um, but. You know, as life goes on and, you know, things hit you from left and right, you know, you go through losses and you do compartmentalize those. Cause I'll be honest, I've compartmentalized pretty much everything in my life. The only type of therapy I've ever tried was, well, I told you I did that Reiki, but it was really just.

A friend was needing to practice. Yeah. Um, but also, I mean, I did, um, better help for a couple of months and then I quit that because, you know, oftentimes you, and it's not that the therapist was a bad fit. It just, I don't know. I just wasn't meshing with it as well at the time. And so I think a lot of times, um, you do compartmentalize and you just go.

And so for me, like I just dive into work, you know, and that keeps my mind going, my work, my family. Um, and that keeps my life going, but I know that I have to [00:34:00] work through through these things. Um, and I feel like I'm stuck sometimes. And then, you know, you go back to, well, I mean, I did try therapy, but I feel like a lot of times when people try therapy and they don't find the right therapist, or, um, maybe they just weren't open to it at the time, you know, cause sometimes you, I mean, you have to be open and accepting to and willing and to be vulnerable.

Um, they tend to. Use that. And I'm saying for me, I'm not just saying for people. I know I'm me, um, to kind of like, Oh yeah, I'll get to therapy. I'll get to therapy. But I I've already tried it. So what would you suggest for people who have been through therapy or tried therapy and it didn't work for them?

And again, I, like you said, there's different types of therapies. So you said an integrative healing, all this kind of stuff. But yeah, I would say would you get over them having the fear of not fear or the holdback The resistance? 

Caleb: Well, I think that there's a, I think there's a negative stigma around every, around everything that you're talking about.

I think that there can be a negative [00:35:00] stigma about it. And there is hesitancy just because you don't, I think sometimes people don't want to admit that they even need to see a therapist or they may even need to address their wellness. Like, and I think, I think that there's a stigma around it. Like I told my dad, I think I was like, dad, I think you might need to go to therapy.

He was like, I'm not going to talk to nobody. Dad, 

Chris: why not? Like, he's 

Caleb: like, I don't know, because I think there's a negative stigma around it. Like, if someone's in therapy, I think the, the cultural thought is. They're crazy or they're mentally unbalanced and it's like maybe they just need to you know Work some stuff out and unpack some stuff or pack in some stuff and like compartmentalize some things.

I don't know Well, I 

Levi: mean, I think generations, you know become more open and more open, you know, you'd mentioned your dad Like I don't need therapy, you know, that's how I feel like that generation is like they didn't want to talk You don't talk about it whereas, you know our generation They, they were, they were born into that, you know, like, you don't talk about it, you just, you know, keep [00:36:00] going, um, but then you're also getting around the younger generations that are very open to it.

And so you're like seeing there 

Chris: is benefit. I always remind people, this is a generational thing and it's a generational privilege, right? Um, our parents grew up in a time where they were still fighting for a lot of their survival needs and their parents definitely grew up in a time where, I mean, you think about World War I, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam War, constant wars.

Um, and then even before that, there was, there was slavery, there was, I mean, so much was going on. Diseases. So, the fact that we have enough silence. Enough space and we have the information like literally at our fingertips 

Levi: Yeah, especially with social media and everything not just social media, but like 

Chris: the internet the internet I mean you're exposed to so much information that can be so useful But then to admit that you actually need help is is another leap.

You mean [00:37:00] think about how many People you've ever tried to invite to church and they were like, I don't think I'm, I'm not ready. No, or I'm fine, or I'm a good person, right? It's, it's making that mental leap to realize maybe I do need some help, but I don't know like necessarily what type of help I need and that's where we come in and that's why I built my company.

Is to help guide people on the right paths to the healing journey. That's right for them. 

Levi: Yeah. So, and so kind of, we talked, you mentioned this, cause you're like, you didn't ask him if his neck still hurts. So going, he still hasn't cleared it up. Well, we're going to clear it up. So obviously as you get older, much better, there we go.

There we go. Um, so you have seen through these, um, the integrative therapists, you've seen a lot of relief in your own life. Yes. And, um, can you explain like what, what, what type of therapy or what type of integrative therapist has been the, obviously with your practice, they're all beneficial to you because you want to [00:38:00] learn so that you can educate people what's right for 

Chris: them.

Right. So I would say for the most effective thing for me has been what's called somatic therapy, therapy that's dealing with the body. Um, any sort of release. that would be generated from whether it's Reiki, whether it's breath work, whether it's a myofascial release, any type of thing that's engaging the body because I'm so up in my head for me to go through the work of catching a therapist up to where I'm already mentally, um, where I'm already at, then it's, it's more work for me and it's almost frustrating.

So I can understand why some people don't want to go to. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that your, your body isn't ready to release that. And so there's, there's kind of this balance where you have to do some processing, maybe in real time. You're like, wow, you may be, if you're thinking about divorce, you're thinking about changing jobs, you're thinking about suicide, you're contemplating whether or not you, um, you know, want to, want to give up on any of these.

Things [00:39:00] that are important to you in life, then yeah, you should probably talk to someone about those things. If you are having behavioral issues, you might need to see a behavioral therapist or a cognitive behavioral therapist. Um, but those behavioral issues might be rooted in something else that you might not.

full, you may not be fully in control of. And that's why I always recommend if you can get a brain map before engaging in a specific type of therapy, because those behavioral issues might be something that's wired in your brain and talking about it isn't necessarily going to be the best avenue for you.

Levi: So can you just cause, um, can you explain what brain 

Chris: mapping is? So if, I mean, wow. So if I can, sorry, I know that's probably, it's a big, it's a big topic. Um, pretty, The best way that I can explain it is if You have a 21 room, 21 room mansion, right? And that's your brain. And somebody came along and mapped out every single piece of furniture, every single light bulb, [00:40:00] every single, um, pipe, every single piece of wiring in that house and told you exactly how that house was operating just based on the blueprint.

So, a brain mapping is a 20 minute recording of your brain wave activity. And through reading those brain waves, they're going to be able to see things like anxiety, depression, they're going to be able to see things like trauma, PTSD, um, things that are over firing together, or neurons that are under firing.

And, um, speaking of which, with this compartmentalization thing, my brain is actually so compartmentalized that it was drawing power from the frontal lobe of my brain and diverting too much power to the back right part of my brain. Interesting. Which was causing my overall performance to be lower than it should be, especially at somebody my age.

Yeah. So it was like finding out, you know what, the lights are not off in that part of the house, but they're really dim. Why are they so dim? Maybe we You need to check the [00:41:00] circuit breaker to see why electricity isn't flowing to that part of the house. Yeah, 

Levi: kind of like how you would do maintenance on your house, doing maintenance on your brain.

Exactly. That's, okay, interesting. I've, I've hadn't heard of brain, I mean, I got, maybe I've probably heard of brain mapping before. I haven't. But, um, Did you have 

Chris: our dad's brain mapped too? Yeah. Learned a lot. I 

Levi: learned, learned a lot. He's like, it makes 

Chris: sense now. No, it does. And, and that's the, The cool thing about some of these things, it's like, it's not scary unless you're really scared of what's on the other side.

But the answers are on the other side. And I think when you find answers, you can find peace because you're not wondering and guessing like, what's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? Or why don't I feel normal? Why don't I feel normal? Why don't I feel normal? And the more you keep asking those questions and not getting the answers, the more frustrating that becomes and you just go into the cycle.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. So. So once we mapped my dad's brain, interestingly, they said his brain was like a Ferrari. [00:42:00] Did you know your dad was? His processing speed is, is higher than the speed of most people, but it would make sense, right? He can quote you scripture. He can, he can tell you things that nobody else on the planet could be able to tell you just because that's how his brain works.

But then there's some trauma that That is causing his brain not to be able to make certain connections emotionally and, and so therefore we, we get the experience that we have with him and now knowing that a lot of the things that we experienced with him growing up make a lot of sense. I'm like, Oh, okay.

But that gives me peace. I think that gives him peace. But then we started working on some of those networks and unbreaking some of those networks in his brain. And, um, then I would pick him up and he'd be like, you know. He would start to make these connections, like, you know, my mom never told me she loved me.

And then would just start crying. And I was like You know, my dad never told me, [00:43:00] um, I was just, playing. He definitely told 

Levi: you, you got to get, you got, you got to get fired on 

Caleb: episode three, episode three. I can't got terminated. Julia, we think we good on 

Chris: time. What time are we 

Levi: at? All right. Okay. Well, we let's break here.

So we're going to do, um, Chris is here. We're going to do a part two to this episode. Um, so this is part one. Welcome to that intro. Um, but I definitely want to dive in more to you cause this is, um, yeah, this is really cool and really interesting. Just, um, for me, I'm learning a lot. Um, one question I want to ask before we jump into our weekly segment, which was it called Caleb?

Chris: I don't remember. 

Levi: Anyways. So obviously we know, We live in a world that's based, not based on money, but you have to money and stuff. So, um, is there any type of insurance that covers any of this stuff? Or is it, um, cause I know that's going to be a fear. That's a fear of people too. You know, like, [00:44:00] um, well, I don't have the money for it or I don't, you know, which I think you should really look like if it's going to benefit me in the long run, like maybe this is something worth, you know, putting money into like a new car, you know, or something like that.

But, um, does insurance help in any of that? Or is it all. 

Chris: So in the holistic and integrative health space, it is difficult to have insurance pay for some of these modalities. Um, they are moving the needle towards getting insurance to cover a lot of these treatments. I know acupuncture is one of those things that insurance might now cover, but you have to check with your insurance and check with the specific practice.

Okay. So a lot of practices don't take insurance, but a lot of practices do. Depending on how they're categorized, the industry is rapidly shifting and changing all the time. So you never know. There are a lot of things that your insurance will pay for. Like 10 years ago, insurance wouldn't pay for an Apple watch.

But now they will. It's like, hey, you can, you're gonna keep track of your health. You're gonna watch your steps, you're gonna, you know, wait, 

Levi: [00:45:00] insurance, don't pay for 

Chris: an Apple watch from me. They can, yeah. I think, honestly, I think they do and it makes me 

Levi: mad. I have one, but I feel like I need an upgrade now.

Yo, I need to get one. Let get that Apple Watch ultra. Right. Well, um, no, great information. It's just, that was something that popped in my mind, just 'cause I know that's a great question. I've heard that before. Um, but this is time for our weekly segment. You'll learn it one day. It's literally the title of the show.

Oh, that's yeah. Yeah. It's called. That's how you feel. So, Chris, what we do, 

Caleb: I still forgot what I forgot as, as you said, I was the title of the show. I was like, oh, it's rants and praises again. I was like, oh, and then you said, that's how you 

Levi: never mind. Anyways. So we, we do this thing where we, it's kind of like our rant or praises.

So we can, you know, something that either has, it's, Grinds our gears or frustrates us and not or 

Caleb: you can show gratitude to something something that's like that was that was a good thing 

Levi: Yeah, and so and but just a disclaimer, you know, these are our feelings on so it doesn't mean you're right in the 

Caleb: situation Yeah, we're not giving out any medical [00:46:00] advice.

This is all just suggest not even suggestions This is just our 

Chris: experiences for entertainment purposes on entertain. This is a bit. This is all comedy Uh, can I just kind of do my rant real quick? Let's go cuz it happened to me. It happened like 

Caleb: Can y'all just let 

Chris: me merge? I, when people are driving 

Caleb: and I'm trying to go, like, I'm trying to get, first of all, this was my bad.

Cause the, you know how like some lanes, like at a red light, you'll get to the red light and then like, you're, you, you should have merged like before the light, but like, you still have like another lane and then it has to merge. There are people that won't, like, they'll drive, they'll match my speed to make sure I don't get to, 

Chris: can you just, like, I'm not out here slow poking it in 

Caleb: the merge lane, like, I'm 

Levi: up to speed.

And when it's at that point, you feel like they're just 

Caleb: targeting you. I do. I feel, I also, I feel like it's racist because I feel like, I feel like they can see me on the inside of my car. If you just let, like, again, I should have, it was my fault. I should have got over before. But bro, just let me, just let me merge real quick.

I'm just trying to go. [00:47:00]

Levi: Well, since we're talking about traffic, it makes me so mad. I do get frustrated with that too, especially when you're like, it's say you're on a highway, three lane highway and you're in whatever. You can't get over on this side. You can't get over this side. And it seems like neither of them are wanting to move, which you live in California.

So I'm sure you have frustrations 

Chris: with traffic. I have a great time driving in California. I will say that experience is not common. I'm an outlier. So, no, 

Caleb: because, because in California, here's the thing in L. A., like, yeah, there's traffic, but most people are doing like 80 and up. Like they got, people got places to be.

Well, I mean, that's what we do here. No, no, David, my brother, David, explained it. He said, Caleb, the people here in Kansas City, they just mosey. It's like, that's. Such an accurate description. I see. I disagree. They're just moseying along on their 

Levi: freeway. Oh my gosh. Not to cause a divide between states. I feel like people in Kansas [00:48:00] mosey because I will tell you, there's a, you're from Missouri.

Kansas drivers suck, right? No offense. I'm sorry. Everybody sucks. Anyways, my main thing is people driving slow in the fast lane. Yeah. Picks me off. I cannot stand it. That's all I got to say. I mean, I feel like it speaks for so 

Chris: angry about because I got 

Levi: brain mapped. Chris. Yeah, I'm in brain now, but I, I got places to be.

And if you, if you know, you're going under the speed limit or just at the speed limit, the fast lane is not your place, bro. 

Caleb: We got ticket money in the fast lane. Move over. Yeah. Fast lane of people that got ticket money. No, but like, I'm also kind of a hypocrite because you know, like the on ramp, like if I'm already on the freeway and I'm in like the right lane and I see somebody coming in and they're doing like 35.

I'm like, what are you, what are you 

Chris: doing over here? And then they get in and I'm 

Caleb: like, Oh my, 

Levi: I, so actually you're holding up my merging. I, this dumb story may look bad on me. Oh, well, we gotta 

Chris: go 

Levi: folks. Thanks for [00:49:00] tuning in. Shut up. So just like last week, I was coming off of a junction and I, I see my truck just came speeding up and was like, I just was Literally, I didn't even see this in my truck.

And so I was like, okay, I got to slow down because this truck is coming up. So I'm slowing down. And then he starts honking at me, honking at me, you know, being angry. And so, yes, I honked back at him. Anyways, so I slowed down, he gets over, then I get over and this idiot. Sorry. 

Caleb: Nah, that's how you 

Chris: feel, man.

Levi: That's how you feel. This idiot literally, in a semi truck, gets, stops on the junction to get on the highway and pulls over onto, it was 291, in the middle of this lane and stops the rest of the traffic just to prove what point to me, like, literally, none of, like, what are you doing here? Hmm. So he was an idiot.

That's how I feel. That's how you feel. That's 

Chris: how I feel. Chris, you got 

Caleb: anything you want to rant about real quick or you want to show some gratitude to somebody? [00:50:00] We're real negative over here ain't gonna be 

Chris: you. That's fine. Gratitude. I mean, I think there is something to be said about your predisposition and your, what they call, vibes.

So you change your vibration, you change your experience. Chris also drives a Tesla, so I mean. I drive a Tesla and it's Model 3. 

Levi: You think you're better than us over here? Literally, I don't know. I thought he was going to say S or X and that's 

Chris: all I know about this list. It's the cheapest model. Speaking of driving and traffic, I'm thankful that I have not been in any major accidents.

I was in a major accident a couple years ago. That's how I got the Tesla because my other car was totaled. But nothing happened to me but the two cars behind me, surgery, hospital, like. We got hit by a semi truck. Oh wow. Um, so I am grateful for the ability to drive and that I have, for the most part, been kept safe driving around all of the chaos that I actually see all the time.

When I say I [00:51:00] have great driving experiences, I do, but that doesn't mean like the car that's on fire. Right? They're having a bad day. They're having a very bad day, yes. The motorcycle I just saw crash, they're having a bad day. I mean, it's, it's bad out there in LA, but, um, yeah, so I'm grateful for it. Anyway.

All right. Hey, folks. 

Caleb: Thanks for tuning in to another great episode of That's How You Feel. We will see you next week with a fresh new episode, part two, mental health and 

Levi: therapy. That's how we feel. 

Caleb: I didn't forget nothing. Leave that in. I want you to leave so much more like raw on the tape just because it's great.